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		By: thduggie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 20:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, I think we&#039;d all agree it&#039;s a description of fact, not the author&#039;s opinion.  But wouldn&#039;t a normal person writing that sentence in normal circumstances have left out at least the second half?  I mean, writing about himself, as tradition has it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think we&#8217;d all agree it&#8217;s a description of fact, not the author&#8217;s opinion.  But wouldn&#8217;t a normal person writing that sentence in normal circumstances have left out at least the second half?  I mean, writing about himself, as tradition has it?</p>
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		By: SursumCorda		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 11:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m late to this discussion, but I&#039;ve thought that the statement referred not to how Moses thought about himself, but to what he &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt;.  More along the lines of &quot;lowly.&quot;  A bit like &quot;He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to this discussion, but I&#8217;ve thought that the statement referred not to how Moses thought about himself, but to what he <i>was</i>.  More along the lines of &#8220;lowly.&#8221;  A bit like &#8220;He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.&#8221;</p>
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		By: thduggie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 05:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yup, I guess that&#039;s our only hope.  

God: &quot;And write that you were the humblest person on earth.  Go on, write it down.&quot;  

Moses: &quot;Come on, God, that&#039;s embarrassing!  It&#039;s not even necessary!&quot;  

God: &quot;But you are humble, and writing this will keep you humble.  Write it down, Moses.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, I guess that&#8217;s our only hope.  </p>
<p>God: &#8220;And write that you were the humblest person on earth.  Go on, write it down.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Moses: &#8220;Come on, God, that&#8217;s embarrassing!  It&#8217;s not even necessary!&#8221;  </p>
<p>God: &#8220;But you are humble, and writing this will keep you humble.  Write it down, Moses.&#8221;</p>
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		By: joyful		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 22:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[hmm.  I see your point.  I suspect that there is something about Moses&#039; words being inspired by God himself that makes it better, since it&#039;s really overall God reporting that Moses was the meekest/humblest man in the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm.  I see your point.  I suspect that there is something about Moses&#8217; words being inspired by God himself that makes it better, since it&#8217;s really overall God reporting that Moses was the meekest/humblest man in the world.</p>
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		By: thduggie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, I&#039;ve heard that definition before as well.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meek&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Merriam-Webster&lt;/a&gt; it is not, nor &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/meek&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dictionary.com&lt;/a&gt; - I suspect it is a &quot;Christian&quot; definition, as I&#039;ve only heard it in Christian circles (though I just now also found it on a Brazilian jiu jitsu training center website).  I think the definition works well for what we believe Jesus to be and also describes a character trait we should strive for, though it seems to me like a subcategory of self-control, so why bother with the extra word?  Also, what would the superlative mean with this definition?  Would &quot;meekest&quot; mean &quot;most strength and most control&quot; or would &quot;most control&quot; suffice for the honors?  If I remember correctly, &quot;meek&quot; has also changed meaning over the course of the last few centuries, so it may mean something different now from what it meant in 1611.  

Again, I think neither of us has the time to follow up those questions, unfortunately.  And I think musing on the meaning wasn&#039;t your main point, anyway.  Calling yourself &quot;humblest&quot; is, of course, immediately self-contradictory - but calling yourself &quot;meekest&quot; isn&#039;t much better, since if you really had that control of your strength one might also expect a little control of the tongue...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve heard that definition before as well.  <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meek" rel="nofollow">Merriam-Webster</a> it is not, nor <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/meek" rel="nofollow">dictionary.com</a> &#8211; I suspect it is a &#8220;Christian&#8221; definition, as I&#8217;ve only heard it in Christian circles (though I just now also found it on a Brazilian jiu jitsu training center website).  I think the definition works well for what we believe Jesus to be and also describes a character trait we should strive for, though it seems to me like a subcategory of self-control, so why bother with the extra word?  Also, what would the superlative mean with this definition?  Would &#8220;meekest&#8221; mean &#8220;most strength and most control&#8221; or would &#8220;most control&#8221; suffice for the honors?  If I remember correctly, &#8220;meek&#8221; has also changed meaning over the course of the last few centuries, so it may mean something different now from what it meant in 1611.  </p>
<p>Again, I think neither of us has the time to follow up those questions, unfortunately.  And I think musing on the meaning wasn&#8217;t your main point, anyway.  Calling yourself &#8220;humblest&#8221; is, of course, immediately self-contradictory &#8211; but calling yourself &#8220;meekest&#8221; isn&#8217;t much better, since if you really had that control of your strength one might also expect a little control of the tongue&#8230;</p>
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		By: joyful		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The definition of &quot;meek&quot; as I know it is &quot;strength under control&quot; - it is related to humility, but to me it doesn&#039;t get the same undoing by stating yourself to have the quality as it does &quot;humble&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The definition of &#8220;meek&#8221; as I know it is &#8220;strength under control&#8221; &#8211; it is related to humility, but to me it doesn&#8217;t get the same undoing by stating yourself to have the quality as it does &#8220;humble&#8221;</p>
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		By: thduggie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Better than perfect?  Awesome!  We don&#039;t want no perfect on this here blog anyway.  ;-)  

&quot;Mini&quot; is the operative word here.  I think it might be interesting to pursue it, compare translations, and follow up the Hebrew and Greek words, but - you know, &quot;better than perfect&quot;...  Though, at the risk of adding to your to-do list, why does the word &quot;meekest&quot; instead of &quot;humblest&quot; make Numbers 12:3 better?  

Balloons and nuts: absolutely.  Let&#039;s not go nuts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better than perfect?  Awesome!  We don&#8217;t want no perfect on this here blog anyway.  😉  </p>
<p>&#8220;Mini&#8221; is the operative word here.  I think it might be interesting to pursue it, compare translations, and follow up the Hebrew and Greek words, but &#8211; you know, &#8220;better than perfect&#8221;&#8230;  Though, at the risk of adding to your to-do list, why does the word &#8220;meekest&#8221; instead of &#8220;humblest&#8221; make Numbers 12:3 better?  </p>
<p>Balloons and nuts: absolutely.  Let&#8217;s not go nuts.</p>
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		By: joyful		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok, I&#039;m going to make this &quot;better than perfect&quot; since it&#039;s been sitting in my reader for almost two weeks waiting for me to respond...

Thanks for the mini-word study.

I didn&#039;t think I knew any serious candidates, but I&#039;m glad of the reassurance.

I think the same of the balloon thing as the nut thing.  My kids (not including the baby) have as likely a chance of aspirating a balloon fragment or choking on a nut as I do.  We know it happens, even to adults (though possibly the larger airway of an adult does make a difference) and so we can keep it in mind, but not let fear get in the way of enjoyment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;m going to make this &#8220;better than perfect&#8221; since it&#8217;s been sitting in my reader for almost two weeks waiting for me to respond&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the mini-word study.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think I knew any serious candidates, but I&#8217;m glad of the reassurance.</p>
<p>I think the same of the balloon thing as the nut thing.  My kids (not including the baby) have as likely a chance of aspirating a balloon fragment or choking on a nut as I do.  We know it happens, even to adults (though possibly the larger airway of an adult does make a difference) and so we can keep it in mind, but not let fear get in the way of enjoyment.</p>
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		By: thduggie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 04:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The ESV, too, has &quot;meek&quot; - a word the NIV uses only once, probably because it&#039;s not that common in today&#039;s usage anymore.  A cursory study of my concordance shows that the word in Numbers 12:3 is also used in Psalms 9:12, 10:17, 25:9, 146:7, and 149:4, as well as Proverbs 3:34, Isaiah 29:19, and Zephaniah 2:3.  The KJV nearly always renders it &quot;meek&quot; when the NIV renders it &quot;humble,&quot; but often renders it &quot;humble&quot; when the NIV renders it &quot;afflicted.&quot;  The related verb in e.g. Exodus 10:3 is often translated &quot;humble&quot; even in the KJV, but again (at least in the NIV) covers the range of meaning from &quot;afflicted&quot; to &quot;humble&quot; to &quot;raped.&quot;  

You hope with good reason.  Nobody at all gave the above answers.  I made them up to make a point, but had my first inklings I should have declared that when Janet said it was neat I&#039;d found a real example online - I think she had a forum or discussion board in mind.  I hope you don&#039;t know any serious candidates for giving such an answer!  

I think by and large you&#039;re right, but the balloon directive is also for choking, and that for children up to eight.  There are a few isolated examples of kids accidentally aspirating balloon bits, and that latex makes for a lovely seal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ESV, too, has &#8220;meek&#8221; &#8211; a word the NIV uses only once, probably because it&#8217;s not that common in today&#8217;s usage anymore.  A cursory study of my concordance shows that the word in Numbers 12:3 is also used in Psalms 9:12, 10:17, 25:9, 146:7, and 149:4, as well as Proverbs 3:34, Isaiah 29:19, and Zephaniah 2:3.  The KJV nearly always renders it &#8220;meek&#8221; when the NIV renders it &#8220;humble,&#8221; but often renders it &#8220;humble&#8221; when the NIV renders it &#8220;afflicted.&#8221;  The related verb in e.g. Exodus 10:3 is often translated &#8220;humble&#8221; even in the KJV, but again (at least in the NIV) covers the range of meaning from &#8220;afflicted&#8221; to &#8220;humble&#8221; to &#8220;raped.&#8221;  </p>
<p>You hope with good reason.  Nobody at all gave the above answers.  I made them up to make a point, but had my first inklings I should have declared that when Janet said it was neat I&#8217;d found a real example online &#8211; I think she had a forum or discussion board in mind.  I hope you don&#8217;t know any serious candidates for giving such an answer!  </p>
<p>I think by and large you&#8217;re right, but the balloon directive is also for choking, and that for children up to eight.  There are a few isolated examples of kids accidentally aspirating balloon bits, and that latex makes for a lovely seal.</p>
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		By: joyful		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 00:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve wondered about #1 also.  The KJV has &quot;meekest&quot; instead of &quot;humblest&quot; which makes it better (for me) considering the authorship.

I seriously hope no one I know said the above answer to #1.

Jon&#039;s fire suit came with a thick booklet full of warnings, starting with &quot;Firefighting is an ultrahazardous, unavoidably dangerous activity.&quot;   Basically, &quot;Don&#039;t rely on this suit to keep you from dying in a fire.&quot;

Janet, I think most of the toy warnings are for choking.  The other guidelines (over 3) are for ability, and then you just have to know the kid you&#039;re buying for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve wondered about #1 also.  The KJV has &#8220;meekest&#8221; instead of &#8220;humblest&#8221; which makes it better (for me) considering the authorship.</p>
<p>I seriously hope no one I know said the above answer to #1.</p>
<p>Jon&#8217;s fire suit came with a thick booklet full of warnings, starting with &#8220;Firefighting is an ultrahazardous, unavoidably dangerous activity.&#8221;   Basically, &#8220;Don&#8217;t rely on this suit to keep you from dying in a fire.&#8221;</p>
<p>Janet, I think most of the toy warnings are for choking.  The other guidelines (over 3) are for ability, and then you just have to know the kid you&#8217;re buying for.</p>
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